| 1. Quality 2. Original ideas 3. Seinen manga |
YoungVagabond said: 1. Quality 2. Original ideas 3. Seinen manga what does Seinen manga got to do with this?? == |
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| People who haven't watched Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Seriously guys. |
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Lith said: people who dont buy anime and just dl it LEGEND OF THE GALACTIC HEROES. COME ON. |
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| 1. Moralfags who fight against downloading. 2. Bad subs and even worse dubs 3. Haruhi |
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| Besides the industry itself, anime fans. |
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| Moeblobs, and just Fluff. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
Aeiou said: Lith said: people who dont buy anime and just dl it LEGEND OF THE GALACTIC HEROES. COME ON. You can now buy it, 500$ for the collection. :3 |
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| YOU HAVE WATCHED 73MIN TODAY, PLEASE WAIT 1HOUR OR FUCK YOU AND BUY MEMBERSHIP. Probably happened to a lots of people. And it always happen at a part where you want to know what will happen next. But on a serious note, I would say the hyperfeminisation in some series are quite annoying. Not only girls of around 15 all gets sizes D, but the women' breast in the 30th are so OVERSIZED that I'm actually thinking to myself "Is this anime in a fantasy world or what?" On another note, I'm not sexually attracted to cartoons. |
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ShadowbladeEdge said: Pumpernikkeli said: I hope that wasn't some slight against Lith, as not only was he being super mild, he's right.1. Moralfags who fight against downloading. Nah, it wasn't against him/her but the post reminded me of that. Lith said: Pumpernikkeli said: so explain how downloading anime illegally is helping the industry o wise one1. Moralfags who fight against downloading. Oh, ok. Silly me, ofcourse you buy all anime and manga you consume. |
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| GLEE because when i watched it i aint watch anime until the season ended |
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ShadowbladeEdge said: ladyxzeus said: Pretty good deal, since last I heard it was a cool grand.Aeiou said: LEGEND OF THE GALACTIC HEROES. COME ON. You can now buy it, 500$ for the collection. :3 Wonder how many of those they'll actually sell. |
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| 1. Streaming sites who's videos are all commercials for crunchyroll 2. Megavideo and their viewing limit I mostly watch my anime streamed. |
Ontario said: ShadowbladeEdge said: ladyxzeus said: Pretty good deal, since last I heard it was a cool grand.Aeiou said: LEGEND OF THE GALACTIC HEROES. COME ON. You can now buy it, 500$ for the collection. :3 Wonder how many of those they'll actually sell. It will only be worth if each DVD has like... 3 episodes each. But that's still ripping off, because much more episodes fit a DVD. And I've heard it's not even super duper HQ, it only has a couple of redisegned space fights. I think it's using the fact that series grew an overpopularity later to just rip-off the new fans. Even though I'm loving it (will only keep watching when I get some sexy Yang Wenli since |
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nekoyaki said: Level E enemy : Bad graphic (ofc, I kinda hate that) Level D enemy : Male Voice (male OSTs singer or Voice actor, female artist could do that, male voices was scary (except for comedy) ) Level C enemy : Normal human who can't divide anime nd cartoon (I hate them in my real life) Level B enemy : Yaoi, bishonen and all kind of that disgusting things (Euh, since I'm normal men...) Level A enemy : Time (for otaku, there's always not enough time..) Level S enemy : Living needs (I wish I don't need to eat, go to toilet, bathing etc.. I wish I just watching everytime.. If I could still watchin' animes, I don't need girls (I'll just fap)) Level B enemy : Yaoi, bishonen and all kind of that disgusting things (Euh, since I'm normal men...) since I'm normal men... no idea how you could say that with a straight face after making a list like that. (or maybe you're not??) |
Jaberlen said: Amex_Yohko said: 1. Adults, like your parents 2. Anime haters 3. Telenovela fans(because anime stole their time slot) THIS, instead of the two other first posts, was considered not good enough to keep in this thread? Pumpernikkeli said: 1. Moralfags who fight against downloading. This. And also just moralfags in general. Also, an industry of entertainment that's driven by those with the power to promote and show things, that leaves the underground often with no chance unless they get noticed by the higher ups. Also it probably doesn't help the anime industry that nobody wants to admit to being an anime fan. |
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| Oh boy I hope people don't overreact when they read this, but IMO: Anyone who spreads high-quality variants of the show without paying the creator is harming the industry deeply. ie: fansubs. These actions remove profitability from the industry (as it DLs are a lower-cost perfect substitute), which forces the producer to cut costs (or else they'd go bankrupt!), which leads to inferior content (no money means they can't pay for better animators, writers, etc), which leads to less viewership (how many people here complained of unoriginal material? Yeah, that's what I though.), which leads to less profits, which leads to.... ...Alas, 'tis a vicious cycle. I'd even go so far as to say that the only thing keeping the anime industry afloat is the rate of technology growth, which is making it so much cheaper to produce anime that they can still grow the industry even though profits are lower than they should be. And don't give me the "fansubs advertise the industry" argument- if they were interested in that, they could use low-quality distribution (either by making crap subs or using, say, rmvb compression), and thus still leave room for people to demand DVDs. But they don't, so this argument just doesn't stack up. |
slax said: Oh boy I hope people don't overreact when they read this, but IMO: Anyone who spreads high-quality variants of the show without paying the creator is harming the industry deeply. ie: fansubs. These actions remove profitability from the industry (as it DLs are a lower-cost perfect substitute), which forces the producer to cut costs (or else they'd go bankrupt!), which leads to inferior content (no money means they can't pay for better animators, writers, etc), which leads to less viewership (how many people here complained of unoriginal material? Yeah, that's what I though.), which leads to less profits, which leads to.... ...Alas, 'tis a vicious cycle. I'd even go so far as to say that the only thing keeping the anime industry afloat is the rate of technology growth, which is making it so much cheaper to produce anime that they can still grow the industry even though profits are lower than they should be. And don't give me the "fansubs advertise the industry" argument- if they were interested in that, they could use low-quality distribution (either by making crap subs or using, say, rmvb compression), and thus still leave room for people to demand DVDs. But they don't, so this argument just doesn't stack up. /snore. Like I'd pay for anything these days. |
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| Hopefully people here know that DVD sales aren't really the main source of income related to animation. inb4 Asako explaining it all. |
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| Fansubs are not damaging the industry, honestly now. The industry gets by just fine in japan, the only one that may be suffering from us who prefer free subs are the American companies who localize the stuff, and they are not the ones who make the anime, they're just unnecessary moneygrubbing middlemen. |
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| Actually, more than copyright. People who don't believe in any point of anime are real drags too. Also, for non-japanese people like me,unreliable fansubs. |
| This guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSr7sciHcDQ |
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| haha, i started to read the first post and thought to myself immediately, animes worst enemy definitely are cartoons. and there it was :3 damn, i so fracking hate when people compare anime and cartoons.. i'm like .. - yeah, but i really love anime <(^. ^ )> - oh, it's something like cartoons? (: - (finstons flashback) ... doh >.< |
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ThePuisiitis said: haha, i started to read the first post and thought to myself immediately, animes worst enemy definitely are cartoons. and there it was :3 damn, i so fracking hate when people compare anime and cartoons.. i'm like .. - yeah, but i really love anime <(^. ^ )> - oh, it's something like cartoons? (: - (finstons flashback) ... doh >.< Anime is a type of cartoon but I get your point |
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| I think anime's worst enemies are the bishi/yaoi fans and piraters. ...and people who think this: Jaberlen said: The MOST SWORN enemy of anime is CARTOON! *thunder* |
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Baman said: Fansubs are not damaging the industry, honestly now. The industry gets by just fine in japan, the only one that may be suffering from us who prefer free subs are the American companies who localize the stuff, and they are not the ones who make the anime, they're just unnecessary moneygrubbing middlemen. As far as I'm aware, distributors sill pay royalties. Killing them hurts producers. Hurting producers leads to less capital reinvestment, leads to the cycle I said. And before people start trying to educate me on the economics of the industry, I should point out that I am an economist and I do know what I'm talking about. To explain in more detail: |
Major_G said: I think anime's worst enemies are the bishi/yaoi fans Really, I've been to say this for a while... What is the need of saying this? Are we disturbing anyone? Just because we have porn of all your favourite characters it's not like the fans that are normal (I admit there are not a lot) force it into you. I agree that stupid fans are what disturb anime the most, and that BL holds two thirds of the stupid fans. But it's not fault of the genre itself. |
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Major_G said: I think anime's worst enemies are the bishi/yaoi fans and piraters. But yuris cool right? |
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slax said: And before people start trying to educate me on the economics of the industry, I should point out that I am an economist and I do know what I'm talking about. And i'd like to point out that there are more so called "economists" who don't know jack shit about anything than those who do. just sayin. |
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slax said: But the overwhelming majority of anime is produced more or less exclusively for the Japanese market, and then maybe sold to the west if there is interest for it (With the exception of certain projects like GitS:SAC). The Japanese industry's main source of income is after all the sales of DVDs, merchandise and TV Station licenses in Japan. So if some minor series that likely wouldn't even be shipped into the west at all, or at least not until a couple of years after finishing in Japan, is fansubbed, the economical impact on the Japanese producers would be hardly noticeable. As far as I'm aware, distributors sill pay royalties. Killing them hurts producers. Hurting producers leads to less capital reinvestment, leads to the cycle I said. And before people start trying to educate me on the economics of the industry, I should point out that I am an economist and I do know what I'm talking about. And then you can insert the whole DLing increase sales argument to boot. |
| can't see how genre variety like yaoi etc is bad for anime. i don't mind it, and personally, my favorite genre is yuri. the action figurine fanatics etc on the other hand .. :3 |
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Baman said: But the overwhelming majority of anime is produced more or less exclusively for the Japanese market, and then maybe sold to the west if there is interest for it (With the exception of certain projects like GitS:SAC). The Japanese industry's main source of income is after all the sales of DVDs, merchandise and TV Station licenses in Japan. So if some minor series that likely wouldn't even be shipped into the west at all, or at least not until a couple of years after finishing in Japan, is fansubbed, the economical impact on the Japanese producers would be hardly noticeable. And then you can insert the whole DLing increase sales argument to boot. I think you are looking at what I said in the wrong light. From what I'm reading, you're saying that fansubs won't kill the industry. Well that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying fansubs reduce the profitability and capital reinvestment that exists in the anime industry, which makes it fall back on poor quality anime more often than they would otherwise. -I said the "industry is only alive" bit because of the poor performance of the Japanese economy, not because of fansubs, as I attempted to clarify in my last post (which I wrote in a rush, so I apologise if it was poorly written). Here's my argument expanded once again, to try and show more of the logic I am using: |
| slax, you're missing that important point that not everything is localized everywhere in the planet and that, anyway, exterior dvd sales are irrelevant to the overall profit - as stated a miriad of times by producers in interviews. I don't know if Japanese download subbed anime, btw. |
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Major_G said: I think anime's worst enemies are the bishi/yaoi fans and piraters. You can't possibly mean this with an ounce of seriousness. |
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Kirikiri23 said: But yuris cool right? Nope - there's just less of them. Or they're not as out there. ukonkivi said: You can't possibly mean this with an ounce of seriousness. bishi/yaoi fans: you're right - I'm not really serious about that. Like ladyxzeus said, it's not the genre as a whole that's at fault. piraters: Yes - I'm completely serious. But only the ones that steadfastly REFUSE to buy ANY anime/manga. |
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| Regarding bishie/yaoi fans, *some of them* can be annoying but overall the genre yaoi isn't to be blamed. |
ladyxzeus said: slax, you're missing that important point that not everything is localized everywhere in the planet and that, anyway, exterior dvd sales are irrelevant to the overall profit - as stated a miriad of times by producers in interviews. I live in Australia, I am well aware that waiting for thing to get localised is a fist in the nuts. Doesn't mean fansubbers have to do it in high-quality. As for distributors, even if producers are not paid commission per sale of DVD, distributors would surely have to pay something to the anime company to get the licence to distribute the anime. And their ability to pay these commissions is directly dependent on their sources of income. Income= DVD sales (or broadcast revenue, but that's a different issue altogether, due to censorship). If anime companies are paid literally nothing for redistribution rights, then you have a point, but I simply cannot believe that. No-one gives away something for free. |
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XxdoobxX said: Anime haters... YEAH!!!!!!! |
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| Anime's worst enemy is people who spend money on education, a home, car payments, and eating expensive foods, instead of using it all to buy anime! The anime industry is dying because they're not getting enough money from you. You're worse than the pirates! In fact, a real anime fan doesn't pirate anything. And still lives with their parents because they're too busy buying anime to get a home. If you didn't buy an anime, you don't deserve to watch it. And if you don't spend 90% of your income on anime, you don't deserve to live. I didn't eat lunch in high school because I was too busy being a good non-pirate anime fan. Take that, cancer. |
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